topic Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns in XPERIA archive

Pre-Purchase Concerns

Mon, 14 Feb 2011 08:56:55 GMT

it will be out dated in befor you even use it.

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

Uliwooly — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:34:58 GMT

they might pull it out and deliver 2.4 as soon as the phone and the newer version of android is released but the question is, will there be any more updates after that?

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:32:51 GMT

Yeah.. but why buy outdated hardware?

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

suze — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:50:56 GMT

I am sorry that you have personally had a bad experience with your handsets. I understand that an offer of assistance was made by the Answers team, maybe you can wait to pass judgement until then?. Your experience, whilst unfortunate, does not reflect the experience of the majority of Xperia users - I personally have had my Xperia X10 handset since June 2010 and have been delighted with its performance.

I would like to clarify for new users reading this forum that I am not a Sony Ericsson employee but volunteer here because I enjoy the Android experience and helping users get the most out of their devices.

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Uliwooly — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:54:30 GMT

I agree that SE should've use at least SLCD or OLED on their new line up, or dual cameras on all the phones, or 16mp instead of 8mp, we'll have to wait and see

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

Wed, 16 Feb 2011 09:30:30 GMT

Copy, paste....

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

suze — Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:50:46 GMT

Yes copy paste, because your comments do not merit anything other than that. I have replied to you on the Arc thread of the same name... did you copy paste that then!?

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:57:37 GMT

no i typed it to prove how dedicated i am to getting SE to start doing the right thing.

so go ahead and tell them they did a great job.

look around. you might notice something.

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns

Martha- — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:38:28 GMT

Hi All,

I've changed the title of this post.

Normally I wouldn't intervene so dramatically, but there are things to consider

1) This phone hasn't been released, and while you know we value feedback, we need it to be constructive.

2) The discussion here isn't really about the topic anyway (although this does happen often).

As usual, there is no problem with the discussion, except to say keep it clean

Thanks for understanding.

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:06:21 GMT

I'm still learning loads of stuff from here..but i do know an oled screen is beautiful..i have one at the moment on my blade (san francisco) so I'll miss that. I don't even know what a back-lit lcd is as seen on the specs for Neo, but i'm hoping it will be ok

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Uliwooly — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:10:08 GMT

well its old technology, AMOLED

even OLED is not as great as AMOLED

http://www.samsungblog.co.za/blog/samsungteam/2009/05/what-oled-and-amoled

http://zomgitscj.com/2010/07/13/super-amoled-vs-oled-whats-the-difference-really/

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Uliwooly — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:10:57 GMT

oled vs tft

http://www.oled-display.net/tft-lcd-vs-oled

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:16:03 GMT

Wow..thanks for the links uliwooly..what a difference esp from tft to oled:smileyshocked:

aww what a pity the new Xperia range didn't incorporate that..

I looked at the nexus s for a bit...super amoled i think..but it was also as big as the galaxy s..I guess i can't have everything in one phone..sadly:smileywink:

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Uliwooly — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:20:14 GMT

indeed theres a HUGE difference between tft with 65k colors to tft with 16million colors to OLED, to AMOLED to Super AMOLED to Super AMOLED 2

the current Xperia generation utilize 65K color TFT

the new generation TFT 16million colors

add to that

single core processor

only 512mb of ram for the Arc and 316mb or so for the neo

no word yet on internal memory

only 8mp when they could've use 16mp with that amazing sensor

only 720p video recording

a small battery

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:27:30 GMT

yeah that does seem pretty poor I have to admit..perhaps they were trying to keep costs down..I don't know:smileyconfused:

The lack of available memory isn't too much of an issue for me as most of my music and vids are on my ipod touch..though i do like to keep my faves on my phone..and for the gallery esp..all photos looked great on my oled screen, in spite of the rubbish camera. At least I have that one upgrade, the Neo's camera looks great..I'll have a good look around before I make my final decision

. Thanks for all your help Uliwooly:smileylove:

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Uliwooly — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:32:28 GMT

I learn a LOT from this post on the Xperia Arc

http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/01/06/next-step-%E2%80%93-xperia%E2%84%A2-arc/comment-page-2/#comments

"Hiron says:

January 6, 2011 at 5:17 pm

Hi, today I want to discuss about Sony Ericsson decision when selecting appropriate (a) camera module and (b) chipset for Xperia Arc…

Let’s get started with Sony Exmor R camera module…

Reference: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201010/10-137E/index.html

There are two choices of camera module. Xperia Arc are using choice number 2:
1. IMX081PQ+IU081F (16 Megapixels, 1.12μm pixel size, costs US$ 174.24)
2. IMX105PQ+IU105F2 (8 Megapixels, 1.4μm pixel size, costs US$ 114.16)

What will happen if Sony Ericsson decides to move from number 2 to number 1 choice for Xperia Arc?

Pro:
- We can get theoretically twice amount of details
- Sony Ericsson will create more hype, especially for average user, simply because the megapixel myth is not widely known yet

Con:
- Due to smaller pixel size, we can get noisier and darker image
- The thickness of Xperia Arc on the bulk side could be increased roughly 2.23mm (although it will be the same for the thinnest side), because of the thicker lens module
- The production costs of Xperia Arc will be raised roughly about US$ 60.08
- In overall daily usage, it’s overkill and doesn’t increase the user experience to wide margins.

Now let’s move on to chipset choice…
TI OMAP, Samsung, Tegra 2 or ST-Ericsson chips seems out of question because of different driver/kernel/bios/low-level commands and it would cost and timed more to develop new low-level boot loader software platform from the scratch… There are only two logical choices for Sony Ericsson at the moment. Keep in mind that Xperia Arc is using number two:

1. MSM8660 (Adreno 220 GPU, dual-core 1.2ghz)
2. MSM8655 (Adreno 205 GPU, single-core 1ghz)
3. MSM7230 (Adreno 205 GPU, single-core 800mhz)

Some insiders have thinking about MSM7230 chipset, but it doesn’t sound logical in marketing point of view, because although it’s still faster than QSD8250 due to GPU, average users would think it’s slower because of the cpu clock alone (1000mhz vs. 800mhz). So to keep the hype, Sony Ericsson needs to keep it at least 1 GHz.

What will happen if Sony Ericsson decides to move from number 2 to number 1 choice for Xperia Arc?

Pro:
- We can get theoretically twice amount of processing power with relatively same battery consumption, and it’s critically needed in some tasks or CPU-hogged emulator, such as PSXDroid (Playstation Emulator for Android).

- We can get theoretically twice amount of graphical performance (Adreno 220 vs Adreno 205) which is needed in some games and plays important role in UI transition smoothness (just look at iOS UI smoothness vs Android UI smoothness). For example (assuming it had exact same software configuration), you will get 50fps Neocore in Adreno 205 and 100fps Neocore in Adreno 220. Native hardware-accelerated OpenGL ES 2.0 is also a bonus.

- We can get 1080p Full HD native hardware-accelerated Video Playback and Recording, as opposed to 720p in current Xperia Arc.

- We can get 16 Megapixels camera in Xperia Arc. I know it sounds strange, but MSM8655 used in Xperia Arc only support up to 12 Megapixels camera due to I/O bandwidth limitation, while Sony Exmor R only have 8MP and 16MP as stated above… MSM8660 support up to 16 Megapixels camera… This is probably the main reason Xperia Arc used only 8 Megapixels…

- We can get 1280×720 screen resolution, as opposed to WVGA (854×480) in current Xperia Arc. Only MSM8660 support 1280×720 screen resolution…

- Sony Ericsson will create more hype, especially for average user, simply because dual-core 1.2 GHz sounds more powerful than single-core 1 GHz.

Con:
- The production costs of Xperia Arc will be raised roughly about (I dunno)
- In overall daily usage, it’s overkill and doesn’t increase the user experience to wide margins.

I know Sony Ericsson had thought about all Pro and Con stated above (even more, because they’re not stupid)… And I believe they even had two different prototypes with (1) dual-core MSM8660+16mp and (2) single-core MSM8655+8mp…

But after careful consideration and costs calculation, they decided to stick with number (2).
But really, if they change a plan to number (1) and adding front camera, it will shut off most of SE Troll’s mouth out there. They added another mistake by not providing latest chipset technology to date. They already providing latest chipset with X10 when it’s announced, so why not do the same with Xperia Arc, the supposed high-end X10 successor?

But anyway, despite of these shortcomings, Sony Ericsson still does a great job. They fix their past mistake with X10 by sticking to latest android version and hearing another SE troll’s feedback (such as multi-touch, mediocre call volume, so-so LCD screen and camera quality). Their phone design team is something that we must appreciate about, and they still consistent with Software UI user-experience plan that they started a long time ago.

My opinion? Kudos to Sony Ericsson!

Why?

Because Xperia Arc will be my next phone."

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:39:23 GMT

That's really interesting..I even understood a lot of that:smileywink:

It does make one wonder why they didn't choose another option for maybe just a little more overheads, in turn addressing customer concerns, and competing with current handsets, but it is heartening to know that in the end, the writer still intends to buy this particular model lol

Re: Pre-Purchase Concerns.

Uliwooly — Thu, 24 Feb 2011 00:55:07 GMT

hahaa yeah